Richmond Zoning, Squirrels & Stoners (pets, local code, modern homes, Tartaria, etc) — Unscripted #036

In this episode of Vera House Unscripted, we cover a wide range of Richmond topics, starting with local identity and nostalgia around the Richmond Flying Squirrels and how city branding shifts over time. We talk about what those changes represent and how people react when familiar symbols evolve.

The conversation then moves into a deeper discussion about pets, intelligence, and consciousness, including how humans define awareness and what separates animal cognition from human thought. From there, we transition into Richmond’s ongoing zoning and code refresh debates, including public reactions to new development rules and modern home designs appearing in established neighborhoods. We discuss the tension between preservation and growth, architectural taste, and how civic engagement shapes the direction of the city.

Later in the episode, we explore internet-driven historical theories such as Tartaria and old world maps, and how conspiracy culture intersects with modern curiosity. We close with discussion around a marijuana-themed sandwich chain expanding into Chesterfield, and what that says about shifting business trends and regional culture.

This episode covers Richmond zoning, local development policy, Flying Squirrels nostalgia, modern architecture debates, Tartaria map theories, Chesterfield business news, and broader conversations about consciousness and culture.

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Welcome back to the Vera House podcast. We have another fun episode for you. This one in the first half, we get a little philosophical. So if you were here just for the Richmond stuff, skip to about halfway through. But we talked about dog consciousness or pet consciousness versus human consciousness. We talked about some controversy around ugly houses and modern houses in the city. What else we talk about today? Yeah, we had a fun one. We talked about the new female counterpart to what's his name? Nutty, the Flying Squirrel, basically like the Flying Squirrels mascots that'll be coming to Carmax Park over Mother's Day weekend. We talked about the Mlungin people of colonial Virginia, which is actually super fascinating. During the episode, I was saying like Mungin or something, but I was meaning to say Mlungin. So that's the proper pronunciation, I believe. So forgive me on that one. And then at the end of this episode, we talk about a marijuana themed sandwich chain that's coming to central Virginia. So here we go. Yeah, lots of different topics. We had a fun time. Enjoy the episode. Tiger King, Florida Man. Yeah, that's in Florida, right? Florida Man. I would imagine Florida Man is in Florida. Didn't they make a movie about Florida Man? I don't even know what Florida Man is. So, it's so funny. It's not surprising because it's like pop culture, internet meme-able stuff. Florida Man is, was, but is a series of like news articles or news coverage about crazy shit that people do in Florida. And like Florida Man rode an alligator to a drive-thru and got arrested, which is a real story. That happened this past weekend. That's insane. Yes. Okay. So it's like Florida Man's not a person, it's an idea. Florida Man is a way of living. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. As somebody who used to live in Florida, I'm on board. I like that. Florida Man rides a motorcycle 30 miles with no helmet on and makes it home safely. Yeah. Florida's a whole different universe. It really is. It's a different place. I haven't been there in years and I didn't realize it at the time. But when you get there, like the pressure rises a little bit. It gets real muggy and do, cause you're riding into the swamp. Yeah. Especially if you're driving, like coming out of Georgia, you're like, what just happened? Yeah. Air got real thick. And then you're on the highway for like six hours with nothing to look at. Straight shot all the way down. And then you're getting into like, you know, Tampa and you're passing through Orlando and then you're getting to Miami and it's like, this is a weird place to be. Yeah. And you realize that people just live like that. So far removed from the stuff that we do, like, you know, parks and lakes and coffee shops and all that. Florida Man rides an alligator to the drive-thru. Yeah. It's pretty nuts, man. Yeah. I grew up in Florida as a kid for a little while. And yeah, you go to the driving range and hit golf balls or go to the batting cage and there's like an alligator just right there, just hanging out. And that is, that really happens. That's really going on. There's just alligators, like little alligators everywhere. It's like, put it this way. I went and I spent a month in the Dominican Republic in 2016 in the middle of the jungle. And where I stayed was called Las Terrenas. So it was like on the coast of the Dominican. And the traffic is like the craziest thing you've ever seen. And I don't mean traffic as far as like busyness. I mean, there's like no lines on the road. You don't know if the road is like one way or two way. It's like insane. People are just, the cars are literally just bumping into each other and running into each other. There's mopeds going through and people yelling at each other and people throwing chickens out the side of their pickup truck. It's like the craziest thing ever. If you pick that up out of the middle of the jungle in the Dominican and you just plop that in the middle of Florida, that's basically what it is. You know? And you just multiply the number of Nissan Altimas by like 200 and welcome to Florida. State car of Florida, the Nissan Altima. Definitely. Man, the Nissan Altima and the Nissan Maxima, if you're rolling deep, you got the big pocket, you got the Maxima. That car has done more for hip hop and rap than a lot of other cars and, you know, sought after effects and things. I don't know how or when it became like the official car of doing hood rat stuff. Yeah. It just, it is and it's all, it's just known like that forever and ever now. It is. It definitely is. There's one of my like all time favorite memes is of, it says like when you're going 120 miles an hour in the left lane, but there's a Nissan Altima behind you. And it's like, there's like a car in the rear windshield, like a laying on the horn and flashing lights. It's like, yeah, if any car is going to be like riding your ass on the highway, when you're booking it over a hundred miles an hour, you see someone come up behind, it's a Nissan Altima for sure. Yeah. I, you know, I think my, I think my mom had an Altima for like six months and then she traded it in. She was this close to being like having hood rat energy. Yeah. She was, she was almost, she was on the cusp, but she traded it in before she got swept up in the excitement, in the rush of being a true degen. It's not a car. It's a lifestyle. It's a way of living. Yeah. It's like a, it's like a motorcycle gang that you didn't know you joined. Yeah. It's an unofficial club. It's like, you get a Nissan Altima, you're like, oh, I got a sensible Nissan. You know, Japanese, reliable, good economy or a good, good fuel economy, low maintenance. And then it's, instead of going home from work, you're at the vape shop and you're just, you're sitting in the parking lot, blasting music and eating chicken wings. Like, how the hell did I get here? Yeah. Or you accidentally drove through the front of the vape shop. Yeah. It said open. So I went in, just didn't get out of the car. Oh man. Yeah. Yeah. We're not, we're not ragging on anybody that has a Nissan Altima or had a Nissan Altima, but just know that we know. Yeah, we know you're in the club. Yeah. New club is getting ready to open up, which we talked about on the last podcast. And it's the club called CarMax Park. That's right. And did you see their new edition of their mascot? It is Natasha, the female squirrelet. What? Yes. So I think like Nutty the squirrel is like the official mascot of the Flying Squirrels. Yeah. Well, now he has a girlfriend. Her name is Natasha, N-U-T, Natasha. Oh no. Natasha the Flying Squirrelette. And she's got a pink baseball jersey and everything. If it couldn't get more, just cringe is the word I think a lot of people would use. It's just like the squirrel, look, when the Flying Squirrel mascot came out, I thought it was a joke because previously it was the Richmond Braves. Right. I'm like, Braves, solid, cool name, great logo. You've had the red skin sticking out of the diamond, which I thought was super cool until they moved it downtown. And then they changed the name to something to be more approachable, I think is the way they would probably describe that. Squirrel, the least threatening animal on the planet. You say that dude, but my dad has a scar on his hand from capturing a squirrel when he was a young boy. And today he is 73, he'll be 74 in April. And every day he looks down and sees a scar from the squirrel that bit through his hand. You did say young boy. Yes. Right? Yes. My point exactly. A young boy versus a squirrel, young boy, oh and one at this point. Have you ever held a squirrel? No, but I held a gerbil and it bit me. Okay, so maybe they're pretty vicious after all. I was also in elementary school. Dude, when I was in elementary school, I had a hermit crab and I actually still have the scar on my hand where, actually that might be from something else, I can't remember, but I had a hermit crab and I was probably like six or seven. And dude, it just latched down on my hand. And I was like, at first it didn't hurt that bad. And then I started yelling and I was like, dad, what do I do? And I waited and nobody answered and I had no idea what to do and it hurt so bad. And dude, I just took it and smashed it against the wall. And I will say, I apologize. I was six, I didn't know what to do. Please don't hold me accountable for my actions. But yeah, dude, it bit down on my hand so hard and I had no idea what to do. And I just took it and smashed it against the wall. Isn't it crazy to think about the pets, the animals that they let, like kids. We were kids. I remember being a kid, I was an idiot. I didn't know anything. I didn't know how to handle any situation, but they give us living things to care for. Yeah, this was the thing you could do in elementary school and a lot of schools is the class pet. And you would take turns taking the class pet home. And the class pet was a guinea pig. Something docile, furry, eats pellets or whatever it ate at the time, drinks water. A corpse could take care of it in theory. But you get a handful of knucklehead kids and the glass case that it came in breaks. Three or four of the kids need stitches because the thing bit them because it was being squeezed. And this is before the internet. So kids weren't taking selfies. They were just literally looking a gerbil in its eyes and like, how hard can I squeeze this thing before it, before, and no one's, there's zero supervision because mom's at work or you're in your room doing your whatever by yourself, no supervision. And it's the weekend, right? You take home the class pet on Friday, Saturday afternoon, squeezing that thing. And mom's like, dinner. You're like, I'll be back for you. Put him back in his cage with a broken glass and you don't feed him because you forgot. Who thinks that's a good idea? Yeah, I don't know. That's so funny, man. Yeah, when I was in like middle school, maybe I was high, maybe it was high school. The first job I ever had or second job I ever had, I worked at this exotic pet shop and they sold all the crazy pets, right? Literally, dude, no joke. They sold snakes and these crazy reptiles and lizards. They sold sharks, little baby sharks. They sold caiman crocodiles. All the dangerous stuff that you would not want your small child to have. These little crocodiles would bite your finger off, straight up. And that's where I worked. And as I started working there, I like really got into it. And I was like, damn, these are cool. And I started buying snakes as pets. And by the time I was graduating high school, I had like a seven foot mangrove snake. I had probably like a three or four foot, it's called a dumeril's boa constrictor. So I had a boa and like, dude, it's like this big muscular snake. I had this really cool one. It was called a southern hog nose, which almost looks like a rattlesnake, but they're nowhere near as dangerous, but they look very similar. Yeah, that was like my pet of choice. And all my siblings had like, you know, little gerbils and like, you know, cute little things. And I had like all these like terrifying snakes. I had like some snapping turtles. Like I had all the crazy pets. You had the animals, the pets, that you would feed class pets to. Yeah. Yeah. And- Not surprising at all. Yeah. My stepsister was not a fan. I can imagine. Yeah, because that is what we did. Like you have, they call them pinkies. They're like little, little tiny mice. They're feeder mice. Yeah. Yeah. You're eight years old and you're literally mass murdering a helpless creature to feed your snake. Yeah. Yeah. Florida, hashtag Florida man. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's weird when you think about it. It's a little bit weird. Yeah. I mean, on the other hand, right, you know, people have like, kids have lizards. The lizards is kind of like the gray area because it's like, it's a tiny dragon. It's a dragon. Yeah. It's just really small. Yeah. And it doesn't eat anything that's like a big deal. Yeah, they eat like crickets and little worms and stuff. Crickets and cockroaches and like worms. So you're like, oh, I was gonna throw this stuff in the garbage anyway. Here, you eat it. Yeah. Versus a snake where you have to like go get a mouse or mice from like the pet store. And it's like, oh yeah, these mice are specifically made for food. It's like, this is a weird chain reaction of events. Yeah. Of just buying living food and feeding it to a monster. It's no big deal. Yeah. Well, and you know, even as somebody who, as a kid had pets like these, as an adult, I look back and like almost conceptually, the whole idea of like pets is kind of weird and confusing. It's very, look, I get it. Yeah. Like a dog is one thing, you know, like, cause people are like, dog, it's man's best friend. You know, and I don't have a dog. Like, and I love all animals. Like I really do. And I used to, I think part of me thought like, yeah, there's no way I'm an empath, you know? But I do some, like, even, you know, I had a cat for a while and I'd always find myself just like sitting, looking at the cat. And I'm like, I feel bad because I feel like this cat is just sitting in my house bored. Like, shouldn't it be out like hunting mice or something? And it would probably be way happier doing that. And yeah, it's like this part of me where I'm like, dude, what, am I going to get a pet for my own selfish reasons? And then be like, yeah, you live in my house now. And like, I don't know. Look, I'm not going to lie. That is the thought that like struck me like a, you've seen those cartoons where they have an epiphany instead of a light bulb. It's like a lightning bolt that strikes across their eyeballs. Yeah. It was like, does this thing even want to be here? Right. Why is it okay walking around in circles and going outside twice a day or shitting in a box? I have questions. Yeah. And I just went down that thought process and I was like, okay, I don't think this really, I don't get, I have a hard time wrapping my head around why this makes sense. And once you start thinking about it, you can't like unthink it. That's the thing. It's like, I love animals too. Animals usually love me. You know, it's just, it's a thing. Dogs, we're always going to be best friends. Cats, sometimes. Cats are dicks and everybody knows that, but they're usually fine. Yeah. But I look at the dog and the dog is looking at me like, you going to open that window so I can get out of here? I'm like, it's not my house, man. Yeah. I don't know what you want me to do. And I know that there are bonds and like special bonds between pet owners and their pets and dogs and people. I've just seen both sides, like, you know, seen a group of dogs running around in like South America, right, where dogs are just kind of everywhere. You know, they don't, they're not pets. You can probably have one as a friend because you feed it every day, but it's going to go off and do dog stuff. And that's kind of like where I think that's like the natural habitat or like the natural state of like a dog is just like doing dog stuff, roaming around, humping other dogs, getting in fights and alleys, making friends with deer, I don't know what they do. Yeah. You know, scatting in the, you know, bebops and scatting in the forest and like playing a drum kit on a car too, I don't know. But they're not doing it in the house with you. They're doing what you're doing, which is sitting around watching TV. Yeah, dude. Well, and you know, we were talking about history before we clicked record and not, you know, dogs definitely still serve plenty of purposes. And it's one thing if you talk about like, especially rescue animals, right? Then it totally makes sense. It's like, yeah, you create an environment for them where they can thrive and survive and be happy and be fed and be taken care of and live a happy life. But then you have these other dogs that have been like multi-bred over like the past, you know, several decades to be these like weird little collector trinket toy dogs. And it's like, you can, it just looks like it's in pain when you look at it. It's like, you know? And it's like, you just, you know, and it's like, I'm sorry to anybody listening who has like a cute little toy Pomeranian or whatever, but it's like, I don't know. You know, you can't help but think what's going on. Yeah, I have questions. Yeah, but then in history, like, you know, dogs were hunting dogs and dogs for protection and they, you know, they serve different purposes. Anyway, I love animals. I would like to say that animals also tend to like me, especially like, I mean, I love, especially all of the really, all animals are great, but especially like horses and certain dogs and stuff, like they have this level of consciousness that just seems like way more human-like in a way. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't even, I don't know if I would compare it to humans. I think we always base things off of us. It's exact, that's why cars look like people. You ever noticed that? Cars have faces. Yeah, well, it's like anybody who knows cars really well can identify like any car based on its headlights. Yes, that's me. I played that game when I was a kid. Same, same. But we base everything off of ourselves because we are the dominant species on the planet. We create and destroy and engineer and all this. We do everything on the planet. So we think about dogs and we compare them to us. It's like, well, what would I want? A comfy place to put my head down. So staying with me makes sense. A nice bed, so a dog gets a bed. Good food, so we get the best food we can afford within reason. You know, a nice place to spend recreational time. So we try to get them outside because they can't do all the recreational stuff in the house because it doesn't, that doesn't work. So like there's versions of it where we can like compare what we would want and what the dog would want. But then there's like a whole other world that we have no insight into that the dog experiences, thinks about, communicates in that we just aren't privy to. I learned this pretty recently and it was fascinating. I didn't get all the way to the core kind of inner workings of it, but it's been long understood that dogs don't have great eyesight. It was understood that dogs see in like monochrome colors, not black and white. They just don't see the full spectrum of like colors like we do. And they have trouble seeing complex figures. They can't see depth of field the same way that we do, for instance. True-ish, but that's not the full picture. Dogs have a incredible sense of smell. They also have long noses, powerful olfactory systems, ears, eyes, and nose, and smell, and taste. And when you think about how you view your world, you view your world through your five senses, right? Sound, sight, touch, smell, and yeah. I did all of those, I gave you five senses. Well, the dog has all of them, but in different varying degrees. And the sense of smell is dialed up to a thousand. So the lack of good vision or the vision that we would think is clear for them is somewhat compensated by the increased smell and olfactory information interpretation. The front of the dog's brain is literally over the top of their nose. So all of their smelling, and sniffing, and finding things in the dirt, and like finding things from miles away, and identifying different people based on their sense goes straight to the front of their brain. They see the world through their sense of smell, not through their eyeballs necessarily. Like, you know, it's more complex than that, but that's kind of the theory. So I was like, okay, well, this is making a lot more sense now. We don't understand what they are experiencing at all. Not really, because we don't see with our nose, we see with our eyes, and that's it. And we smell with our nose. We don't really do a lot of both. There's a little bit, like you can see something and kind of remember what it smells like, and you can smell something and visualize it. But to have 80% of your visualization come from something you smelled, no idea what that's like. Yeah, yeah. Well, and it makes me think of like dolphins, right? They communicate through sonar, and everything they do is through like frequency. Even snakes, they sense with their tongue, right? Totally different, right? Like if you get close to a snake, like if you get close to a dog, it's gonna sniff you. If you get close to a snake, it's going to also sense you, and in an interesting way, like sniff you, but it does it with its tongue. So yeah, animals are very strange. Yeah, fascinating. I always thought it would be cool. You know, I've had pets when I was younger. I had a couple of dogs, a couple of cats when I was living at home with my family, mom and sister and brother. And then as I got older, I was like, yeah, maybe I want a pet, maybe I don't. I definitely don't want to deal with like the mess. I'm like, I like to keep my things kind of tidy, and I don't like the idea of like all the mess. Although you could live tidy with a dog. That's, you know, that's a world that people can live in. But then I was like, okay, knowing what I know and how I feel about like, does the dog want to be here type of day? What does it actually want to do? I think the perfect scenario for me, which I think we talked about this to some degree, would be like a compound. Off the beaten path, lots of land. The dog is technically my responsibility, but it's not like I own the dog. Dog does what I say. Dog will do whatever it wants. Dog knows where the food is. Dog knows where the shelter is. I'll see the dog at night when it's ready to come on home. Yep. Type of thing. Yeah, and I grew up like, once I moved back here to Virginia from Florida, my dad and his wife, they had a property. I think it was like nine and a half acres. And that's where I lived throughout high school, which was out near the Chesterfield Berry Farm. And we had a seven-stall horse barn with horses and a couple ponies. We had rabbits and ferrets and birds and dogs and cats. And like, yeah, dude. Dr. Doolittle over here. Literally, it was like a zoo. Had so many different pets. And yeah, grew up around all of them. And what we're talking about now never crossed my mind. Right. You know, and it was sort of, because we lived on like a farm and these animals were all over the place, did whatever they wanted, you know? For the most part, yeah, especially the dogs. Like they're out in the field and in the pasture running around doing whatever they wanna do, you know? And they hang out with the horses all day and whatever. And yeah, that's where the whole, like being around animals all the time, that's how I picked that up as a kid, you know? But all of them sense differently. And in, this is sort of a left turn, but in relation to humans, this topic that I was watching, where at first it could seem like an obvious statement, but it was talking about the different types of internal dialogue that we all have. And I would love to dive deeper into this at another time, but it talks about how some people, their entire inner dialogue is like an internal voice. And how all of their thoughts are actually like in language, and it's basically them talking to themselves, but inside their own mind. And then you have other people where they actually don't. They don't think in words, they think in like pictures and colors, like very vivid pictures and colors and stuff. And I think it's called aphasia or something. And so we have different weight, like the reason I find it so fascinating is because I'm sure similar to dogs, it's like, dude, we could never imagine what their lived experience is. Just like your and I lived experience, even though we're sitting in the same room and we know a lot of the same environments and people and things, and we do have similar experiences or shared experiences in one way or another here and there. We could never experience what it would be like to be inside someone else's mind, because someone else may see the world totally differently, just based on the basic fundamentals of how they speak to themselves, essentially. Like they could think in pictures versus think in internal dialogues. We also meet people who they like talk to themselves out loud all the time. Like, I don't know about you, like, I really thought long and hard about this. And I was like, okay, what are my thoughts? And for me personally, I've come to the conclusion that I am actually speaking in words to myself in my mind all the time. So all of my thoughts, I'm actually thinking about them as language. Whereas other people, they don't. They don't think of actual like words or languages, they think in pictures, like I just mentioned. But then some people think in feeling. Now, the other thing that should be said is people, we all to some degree have a mixture of these things, right? Like if I say, picture an elephant, some people literally think of a very vivid image of an elephant. Other people think of almost like this sort of low resolution shape of an elephant, just the general idea and shape of an elephant. Then there are other people who cannot picture anything. And they've done studies where those people become adults and their entire life changes when they realize and they learn that their entire life up until that point when they discover this, that other people in conversation are able to imagine things in their mind. And then they realize, wait, so when you're saying picture an elephant, that's not just like a figure of speech. You can actually picture an elephant like in a certain scenario in your head. And the other person would say, yes. And they're like, what? And it changes their entire life. And some of these people, they become depressed and suicidal because they feel like, what? Like I'm experiencing life wrong because I can't envision this in my mind. And they make up about like five to 10% of people. So it's like, yeah, one out of 10 people, that's something that makes up their, the characteristics of their mind. Dang. Yeah. That's a bummer. Yeah, and it's like, it's such an interesting topic and it's kind of in alignment with what we're talking about. Yeah, man, I mean, I think, I don't think about the specifics of how you maybe don't see the world that I do or through the lens that I do or how a stranger at the coffee shop sees the world in a different way that I do. Not as so specifically as that and not all the time. On occasion, I will have a broad thought that's like, I wonder what they're thinking. I wonder how they see what's going on. I wonder if there are similarities between us. And that's like, on the verge of like empathy and trying to visualize myself in their shoes. I also try to do the opposite is like, what would it be like to be where they are right now? What would it be like to be making coffee at the coffee shop? What would it be like to be sitting down doing work with someone at the booth over there? Like I think about those things. And I also think in a combination of words and vivid pictures, it's a very, I want to say like 50-50. It's like the surface level, like immediate thoughts. And then the deeper thoughts are all words, but they're accompanied by very vivid pictures. And then sometimes it's just pictures. Sometimes outside stimulus will elicit a very vivid picture. That's a version of like synesthesia, right? Where sound or outside stimuli elicits a visual kind of visualization response. The extreme versions are like people have hallucinations and can smell stuff and they see in different shades. It's not like that for me. But I do, I like that aspect of how I perceive the world. So when you tell me that there are people out there that don't have any of that, it's a bummer. Seeing a vague shape of an elephant versus the way I would see an elephant. And I know that the vision that I have of an elephant is a hodgepodge of all of the versions of elephants that I've seen, even the ones that I don't remember. They're all mixed up and mashed up in there to form the closest thing that I could see to an accurate representation of what an elephant would look like. There was one on a TV show 20 years ago that I saw. There's one in a book when I was a kid. There was a drawing that maybe I've done. They're all mashed in there to give me that visualization of an elephant right now. But to not even have that even though you've seen one is like, that's tough. Yeah, yeah. And there's so many other elements of this too. The other couple ones were the empath angle where people think through feeling. And then there's also the physical feeling. So like when you say picture an elephant, actually the first thing that comes to their mind would be like the feeling of petting an elephant. That's cool. And they're very like sensual, meaning if you said denim, that's the immediate feeling is they would think of the feeling of denim or the feeling, if you said porcupine, they would think about what it feels like. And that's like the way that they interpret their own thoughts. And I don't know if this is true, but I think about myself and how, when I live alone, I don't talk. I could watch the funniest movie and I'm just sitting on the couch deadpan. And I think in like the conclusion that I've come to. That was funny. Yes, literally, literally. And sometimes people even notice that like, maybe even picking it up through the podcast where like funny stuff will happen. And instead of laughing, I'll say, that's funny. Yeah. And it's like, it cracks me up. And my conclusion that I've come to is that the fact that I'm always talking to myself in my head is almost why? Because it's like, I'm not physically expending the energy to talk because I'm already talking to myself. And like in my head, I'm laughing, but I'm just not laughing out loud. And that's, I don't know. That's the conclusion that I've come to so far. Yeah, I also live alone. And nowadays it's more of the internal conversations, talking through work while I'm doing it at home, talking through my to-do list, talking through big thoughts and theories. And a combination of that is also visualization, imagining things that I want to happen. I want this thing to look like this. I want this scenario to happen. I need to build this thing. What does it look like? So it's a combination of those things. And the inner monologue is, I think I heard a comedian say this, like the inner monologue, you can't turn the volume up on it. You can't turn the volume up on when you hear a song in your head. Like imagine hearing one of your favorite songs. Now turn it up. Nothing happens. I got nothing, yeah. It's like the same volume, weird. It is. I don't know what that is, but yeah. Interesting. Yeah, I'm, I don't know. Sometimes I feel like I'm not even a real person. It's like all of that. Life model decoy of Mike Metzger. Yeah, kind of. You know, we're like, you know in the Simpsons where you're just like a floating head inside of like a mason jar? Yes, I actually know that reference. Yeah, you know. And not that I feel like a floating head on a jar, but I don't know. I often think, I'm like, there's no way people are sitting around having this experience because this is a weird ass experience. Like I don't know what's going on here. You know what's funny? I for a long time thought that my experience was wholly singular and no one saw the world that I did, like I do. And it's a very isolating feeling. And I feel like a lot of people, especially young people feel like that. Where, and if they're having big profound thoughts that are like shaking the base of their belief systems, like what? There's no way that all of my friends feel like this. And chances are they don't. It's far more likely that there are hundreds, if not thousands of people that share very similar experiences from the way that you view the world, from the way you feel about it, the way things look to you and sound to you. There are so many people on the planet. It is mathematically implausible or illogical that you're the only one to ever have that thought that way at that time for that reason. So you can take a little comfort in, you're not the only one who's a little bit crazy. Yeah, totally. You know, and sometimes you even like see someone that like reminds you of somebody or like they almost have the same like mannerisms and something. And you're like, and then, yeah, you can't help but wonder. It's like, I wonder if that's sort of like the same person. Like, do they have the same brain or something? Or like, what is that about? The answer is yes. Yeah. Almost DNA relatives. There was a study done, I want to say about eight years ago, a doppelganger study. They tested people in the UK and in Europe. And they tested people who didn't know each other but resembled each other. They asked people to, you know, submit pictures of themselves and they matched up the people that looked the most alike. Or if someone knew of another person that said, my friend said, I look just like this person. And they tested their DNA. And then they gave them a cognitive test, behavioral test, IQ test. They tested them all of these parameters to see if there were similarities. And then they tested a control group of people that weren't similar at all. The findings were that if someone looks like you, sounds like you, has the same hair as you, the same eye color as you, they're the same height, same build, same face structure, same voice, but you're not related. You have a different family name. You live on different sides of the planet. Your DNA is almost identical. Wow. Technically, you are related. Yeah. Technically, you're identical, but you're just not from the same family gene pool. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. So you have a twin. Yeah. His name is, I don't know, Sean? Yeah. He lives in Belgium and also likes snakes and lizards and all that weird shit you did when you were a kid. Yeah. I mean, yeah, the chances are very high that you have an actual doppelganger. Back in the early Instagram days, I'll have to find this guy. I've got a screenshot of it somewhere, but people used to tag me on this guy's Instagram. And it's like a one person where I looked at it and I was like, all right, that's kind of freaking me out. Like, that actually looks like me and vice versa. And we did, we were like tattoos and all this stuff. And I'm like, dude, this is weird. And I will, I have to like look it up and find it. But it does remind me of this talking point that we talked about just very briefly before we started recording. And I do think it's worth mentioning just because we're sitting here talking about like DNA and all this weird stuff. And I plan on doing a deeper dive on this topic and really learning more about it. But there was this race of people called the Mungin people. And they basically look like, I don't wanna say light-skinned black people, but they look like almost like a combination of like black slash Indian, but then with sort of like Caucasian style hair. Yeah. It's like a really interesting, weird, unique looking person. And they were around since the days of the Native Americans and in earlier like colonial America. And they were ostracized for their race. And for the longest time up until modern times, nobody knew what their race or ethnicity was. And then of course now, and interestingly enough, the person who started like the Mungin DNA Project is from University of Virginia. He's a professor there. And he started like the Mungin DNA Project because a lot of these family bloodlines were from colonial Virginia in the Mungin like DNA pool. Yeah. Very cool. It's super interesting. Now, so the Mungin people and their descendants are still around today. But they face a lot of like difficulty and hurdles because they don't really cleanly fit into any cultural group. So even on things like DMV paperwork, it's like, oh, check your ethnicity. And it's like, are you Hispanic or Latino? Are you black? Are you white? Are you Asian? And they're like, I'm not any of these, right? It's like a really interesting thing. And it's like, I'd never heard of this before. And I ended up watching a whole video on it. And during the civil war in America, they couldn't participate in the war. So they weren't slaves because they were considered, they were literally titled freed colored people is what they were known as. So they were freed colored people, but they weren't on any side of the war. So the union army didn't take them in or have them fight in the war. They rejected them. The Southern army, of course, the Confederate army, of course, didn't. And for over a decade, these people lived in like caves and in the mountains and stuff like all throughout the Appalachian mountain range. And only after the war were they able to like re-emerge. Now, because of this, they only interbred amongst themselves because they weren't like welcomed into any other community because the black community didn't like them because they were not considered slaves. And they kind of got this weird, they were in this weird, like middle gray area. And so, I don't know enough about it to really like continue but I really think it's just an interesting topic. And then they did a DNA test and found that they were like a very unique mixture of like Turkish, Portuguese, Native American, and then certain branches of their family tree also included black people, also included white people. Yeah, and it's just like a crazy story. Wow, I mean, that's, I mean, obviously you've never heard of that. Yeah. And I can't imagine, you know, even today if they're still dealing with these issues, like America is a multicultural melting pot already. So we have people from all walks of life on the planet. Some variation of them exist in America. But to like not have like a place of origin and to be here, it has to be just like a crazy way to like to exist. Yeah. You know, there are a lot of people that fall back on their culture, you know, that if they're first generation or second generation from wherever, they'll fall back on that. If they were born and raised in America and all of their family members are from America, like my family, we did a genealogy test, or I did, like, I think I did ancestry.com to find out where some of my distant relatives may be from Africa, Northern Africa, Central Africa. So to some degree, I can also fall back on being African, but I'm also half English in my, you know, my family history. So it's where does the existence in the lineage lie? And like not having that is a, it's an interesting place to feel and to exist. I would imagine for these people, they're still struggling with it. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, I'd love to dig into it further and learn a little bit more about it. You know, I feel like we've covered some really cool, interesting, you know, some of them aren't even cool. They're actually like quite tragic, but just a lot of really different, interesting, fascinating, historic accounts of all kinds of different things. And I think there are certain ones that we come across that are worth like diving into a little bit deeper. Yeah. And it would be cool, you know, we talked about the night doctor. It would be cool to have somebody that like really knows about that story in depth. Cool. To like come on the podcast. That story's crazy. It is, it's insane. It'd be cool to have maybe this professor from UVA, like come talk about this whole, you know, the Mungin DNA project. Like, I think these would be really cool things to maybe do like a special series in the future where that's kind of like focused on Virginia history or something. That'd be a lot of fun. That would be really, that'd be a really cool project. Do you remember, it's a while back. Do you remember talking about this weird shaped house that just popped up in a neighborhood in Richmond that was like three stories and like blocked the sun and cast a shadow on like one story ranchers in this neighborhood? Where was that? Do you remember where that was? Yes, I think that was in Nova. It was like, you know, Fredericksburg or something, you know, Ashland, something like that. Right, it's like, the house is hideous. Yeah. It's like super long and awkwardly shaped and really too tall for that block. And the guy got away with it because there was like no code that prohibited him from doing it. Right, yeah. So there's a billboard on Boulevard and Broad, well, Boulevard and like where Bowtie Cinema is, like right across the street from, was it Boulevard Burger? Yes. It's right there. Okay. With that house on it. Wow. And if you, you know, if you're just listening, the billboard says, ugly house is coming. To your neighborhood, code refresh, rezoning allows it. Call your council person, Han Catherine Jordan, and then a phone number. And this is by the Richmond Civil Council League. So they are trying to halt all of the rezoning that's been going on. Apparently there is this program called Code Refresh and it's supposed to rezone the majority of certain neighborhoods to make it easier and more effective or efficient for developers to come in and, you know, put in some ugly houses, I guess. But I just thought that was interesting because we were talking about that ugly house and like, I guess more are coming and these people are trying to stand in the way. But the Code Refresh initiative began in February 2024 as an effort to improve walkability, upgrade zoning codes that haven't been updated in decades, and beautify the city's neighborhoods. Code Refresh is part of a comprehensive plan looking to strengthen affordable housing programs in the city. And the Richmond Civil League is trying to stop this rezoning because they're worried that we've, since we've already seen that the increase in development for residential is at an all-time high. Every time I drive down, whether it's in Scotts Edition or in the Fan or down Broad Street or in the West End or wherever, there is a new development and they're going up so fast, I can't keep track of how many there are. And there was an interview with this woman and her piece was basically, to the effect of infrastructure, support for that many people, what does that do to our current already inefficient and struggling infrastructure that's decades old that needs a revamp from top to tail? What is thousands more people in the currently already struggling neighborhood going to do to the infrastructure? Where are they gonna go when they're not in their apartments or in their homes? Where are they gonna park? Where are they gonna go to school? Where are they gonna go to recreational activities? Where are they gonna exist? There seems to be lots of room for development, but there is no room for the people that are gonna be here. We're already kind of seeing a little bit of that where the support for all the people isn't quite keeping up with the capacity for the people to be here. You build an apartment that can hold 3,000 people on a block that used to accommodate maybe 5,000, what are they gonna do? There's nowhere for them to eat. They have to drive across town and go to the grocery store. There's nowhere for them to park, so you have to knock something down to build a parking lot or a deck. I can see the argument there. It's just an interesting take on it. Yeah, and I'm on the fence with some of that stuff. I think when it comes to the big commercial properties and the big apartment buildings and slamming them into small spaces, yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of that, but there's not a lot you can do to stop it. You know, money talks and yeah, you got buying up the Hardee's property and putting in a 12 story hotel. You know, good luck stopping that. And the thing is like, yeah, there's already nowhere. You can't even park to go to Ensuboca. How are you gonna park to go to one of 800 hotel rooms? That's insane. Yeah, man. I don't know, we'll see what happens, but I would imagine, I guess it'll have an underground parking structure or something. I don't know. It won't be underground. It'll be a deck and it'll be behind the building. Got it, yeah. So, you know, that's the one thing is like the commercial stuff and apartment buildings and stuff. What I think of when I look at that billboard is modern architecture. And I do have like a soft spot in my heart for that because first of all, I love design and architecture and I love all of that. And I also served on the board of Modern Richmond, which is a nonprofit that highlights all of like the amazing designers and architects and engineers. And these aren't people that just build houses. Like they built the Vail Brewing Company over in Forest Hill. And they're like re-gentrifying and building up that area and like making it cool and fun. And then they build a really neat structure like that and do the industrial design on the inside. And the truth is some people just hate that. They just hate it, dude. They hate the modern look and feel. They don't like the boxiness and the small windows or the big windows. They just love traditional stuff. And I don't know who the people are behind that billboard, but there is like an army of people that just hate the modern stuff. And I'm one of those people that's like, I almost can't make up my mind because I love, and I fall on this with a lot of things. It's like a love and hate with social media, love and hate with AI. It's like, I want the world to advance. I want progress and change and innovation and cool stuff. And I want, you know, I love all of that. But then at the same time, I can't help but look at old chapels and stuff. And it's like, but that actually looks more advanced. You know, and that's older, right? You look at old street lamps, old benches and stuff, and they take far more craftsmanship and design than some of the stuff today. And so, yeah, I really do. Like, I'm such a fence sitter on this one. But I think that's what people hate is people hate like, they're, and not to call it any particular house, but I actually like them all. You know, there's some over on, I think maybe it's Grayland Avenue. There's like- Yeah, right here. Yeah. Yeah. I know, I was just thinking about that. Like, I think that house is awesome. Some people hate it, dude. They just hate it. I was living two doors, three doors down from that, that house when it was built. And that used to be an empty lot. You know, it was, it's a triangle, like an oblong shaped triangle at the end of the block there next to the bridge. And people just used to walk their dogs there. Kids would play there. It wasn't a city park. It was just an empty lot. Yeah. And then this person came in, started to develop it. And the neighbors and I, we would all talk. It was like, oh yeah, it looks like there's gonna be a new house on the block. Cool. And then they started to build like the structure. And then the outside of it was like cerulean blue and then the gray. And it was all rectangular. And then they like covered up the rest of the lot with like a big fence. And there's a pool back there. Everyone hated it. Yeah. For good reason. It was an eyesore. Yeah. It didn't look like, it doesn't fit. Right, it definitely doesn't fit in. It doesn't fit there. It doesn't really look that great. It's cool because it is modern. And after some time, it grew on me a little bit. And I do, I kind of in the same boat. Like, I like the modern look and feel, but I also don't like things that like just don't fit. I think that's the bigger one too is like, it didn't have to be there. Now, if you're a homeowner and you've got the resources to buy up a super convenient lot, an empty lot in Carytown is a jackpot of a look. You can do whatever you want. Yeah. No one's gonna tell you not to. Right. And I think the other part of the argument was that person gave no consideration to what it would do to the neighborhood. Yeah. And there's actually, there's two properties on the same block. Yeah. There's one caddy corner, maybe two doors down, that's a row house, but is now a similar, like three-story modern rectangular high rise. And then there's one at the very end of, at Grayland, the next block up, that was there before both of those properties were there. That place is amazing. Stunning. Incredible, but doesn't fit. Yeah, yeah. That's the only thing. Now, I do know, because you beat me to it, I was literally gonna say that, because one of them, I forget the address, and we probably shouldn't mention it anyway, but Modern Richmond did a tour of that house, and I've been in there, and it's unbelievable. Like, it's like, I've never seen the blue one on the inside, but I agree. The blue is a little much, like, it doesn't fit. It's, yeah, it's not, yeah, it's just not the right fit, you know, and it doesn't mean that the architecture's not great. It doesn't mean that the design's not cool, but it's, yeah, Carytown is like a quaint little neighborhood with mostly small properties. They're all much older. It's like it doesn't fit that same vibe in the neighborhood. You know, even in my neighborhood, Carillon, which is like a very traditional neighborhood, there's a couple houses that have gone up, and I personally don't mind it, but people were very against it. Like, you know, because I get the neighborhood newsletter and the committee meetings, the community meetings that they do, the civic community meetings. People were, like, hardcore against it, and the one they did in my neighborhood is actually not that bad. It actually turned out pretty good. It doesn't, like, perfectly fit in, but they were considerate. Like, I think that they had a totally different design, and they actually did dial it back to make it fit in the neighborhood, because my neighborhood is mostly, like, old brick homes, you know, and so, yeah, when you come out and you create this, like, Batman-looking house, it's like, man, you know, I go by, like, as a, you know, young guy in my 30s, I'm like, damn, that's sick. But yeah, you know, the 70-year-old lady down the street, she's, she hates it. Shaking her cane at it, like, these are our youngsters. Yes, they hate it. And I, look, and I get it. I'm also, this is the, I think this is kind of the juxtaposition of living, being somewhat of, like, young person living in an old city like Richmond, you know, and especially social media, and having access to what's going on in other places in the world and in the country. I like modern architecture. I think it's awesome. I can appreciate classic and historic architecture. I've lived in some historic homes and some older Richmond homes and buildings in the city, and I can tell you, the charm wears off very quickly for me. I just wanted things that worked, and I wanted things that made sense. Most of the houses were built before people were even this tall. Most of the houses were built before people gave any consideration to wheelchair access, to hauling extremely heavy furniture in and out multiple times in a year. So most of the houses don't have effective ways of transporting anything in and out of it. Some places only have one staircase from the front door to the second floor. You don't even, you can't get to the, from the front to the back of the building without having to walk around to the alley. So there's drawbacks, but then people would say, that's a part of the charm, and preserving the history of the building itself is a privilege. I can also see that argument. It's not for me, but I can understand where that person's coming from. I think the happy medium would be like that guy in your neighborhood who's like, try and give some consideration. Because the reality is, the people that stand in the way of progress are the ones that are going to get pushed out of the way, because progress is inevitable. The only thing that is a constant in our existence is that things will always change. Nothing will be the same forever. Except for that one building in, I think it's Italy that's been under construction for a thousand years. That's the exception. Very cool. But we don't have history like that, and eventually the history that we know will change. It will evolve. It will become the next version of what will eventually be history in the future. We do have history like that. It's called Tartaria, and it was covered up. We did talk about Tartaria. I'm very, now you got my interest. I'm piqued. I'm curious about that. Look it up. I will look it up. I will look it up. It's on that same map that I mentioned. I'll get you the name of the map. Is that the map that, you used to have Antarctica on it, but it disappeared and now it's back? Yep. And there's a lot of maps like that. I think it's called the Oroneous Phineas map is one of them. There's a handful of different ones, but basically- Oroneous. Yeah. On all accounts, Oroneous. And I could be saying it wrong, but it's something Phineas. Yeah, something like that. And yeah, it shows everything the way that you would expect it to be. But then like the whole right side of Russia and the left side of America where they converge and how convenient that on the modern maps, they split that apart to make you think like, oh yeah, Russia and America, they're so far apart. It's like, no dude, they're our neighbor. And in between us used to be the Tartarian Empire, allegedly. And it's on the maps. And dude, if you look it up, there's the, like there's the ocean, there's everything. Like there's, it's called like the Ocean of Tartar. And like, dude, it's a thing. Okay. It's not just like- It's a thing. I'm telling you, dude, just look into it. It's more, it's more than you might think. I'm gonna look into it. Cause I want to find out if Atlantis is real because- Well, Atlantis is definitely real. Yeah. I believe you. So I'm going to look into this Tartaria thing. It also sounds very similar to the Bridge to Terabithia, which is a movie with the rock in it. I was going to say, I don't know that one. I was going to say, I might need to look that up. I don't even think I saw it. Now it makes sense. It's a movie. No wonder I haven't seen it. It's like a kid's movie with a rock in it. That's funny. It's like fantasy. It was, I think it was pretty cool, but- Nice. Yeah. Bridge to Tart, or Bridge to Tartaria. Yeah. I'll look that up. Yeah. I'm going to have a list of things that I got to look up. Totally. So I've been thinking about this. I know we've talked about this and we put a little poll out on social media a couple of days ago, basically kind of testing waters if people would be interested in like hearing us talk, like being in person and like seeing what we had to say, sharing some of our information. I'm still curious, and I think we need a little bit more feedback. So if you're listening, if you saw our post, that's one thing that's great. If you haven't, if you're listening and you think it would be cool for Mike and I to do a little in-person, maybe even something of like a live Vera house, we'd love to hear from you. I think we're exploring that. I think it would be really cool. Yeah. Yeah. And there's, yeah, a lot of ideas floating around. The best way to do that is right on, if you're watching this video, it could be on YouTube, Spotify, wherever you're watching or listening, there will be a link right under this video where you can actually text us. And that would be the best way to give us some feedback. Of course you can leave a comment, you can leave a comment on Instagram or wherever, but feel free to send us a text and you'll see a link right under this video that says Got Thoughts. And yeah, it could be in the format of a live podcast. It could be a workshop. You know, if people haven't been able to tell, our forte is in content and media and production and marketing and all that stuff, which I think is very helpful for local businesses. And yeah, Perry's been spending a lot of time in his past, like going through training and training with companies and teaching executives and doing training material and stuff like that. A huge part of my career has been speaking and teaching marketing and working one-on-one with clients and brands and stuff. And yeah, we do a lot of that through VeriHouse as well. So yeah, whether it's a podcast or a workshop or anything, if you have ideas, like we're totally open to everybody's ideas as well. Yeah. And maybe we'll have a group running the 10K with us. Maybe. You gonna do it? I'm not a runner. I'll wear a t-shirt and cheer you on from the sidelines. There we go. How about that? Yeah. Or I'll start and then I'll just be at the finish line like I ran the race anyway. Dude, you'll have to get like a 160 pound camera rig, like shoulder camera rig, and you'll have to run it with that, wearing that. Yeah. Or I could just get a golf cart and strap a camera to the top of it and say that I ran it instead. That would actually be pretty sweet. Yeah. Let's do that. Let's do that. Dude, have you ever had a marijuana sandwich? What? So there's this chain opening, I think in Chesterfield. And... It sounds like you had one before we started recording. I haven't, dude, but I figured we'll go ahead and wrap up today's episode and we'll go pick up a marijuana-themed sandwich in Chesterfield. Themed or does it have marijuana in it? Hard to say, dude. But marijuana-themed sandwich chain planning to open in Chesterfield. And yeah, outside of the strange pot-themed food, or outside of the strange pot themes, the food is actually really good, but it's extremely pricey. A foot-long sub is $12. That's not extremely... That's the same price as a Subway sub. Yeah, it's like, hold on a second. Maybe that's what people are paying in Chesterfield. Come to the city where we pay $18 for a coffee and $35 for a sandwich. That's more like it. Yeah, that's crazy. Anyway, this is on Richmond Biz Sense and I can't actually see the full article, but... What's it called? Yeah, I know. It's a bummer that we can't even give them a shout out, right? I don't even know. Weed... Weed sandwiches are us. Yes, exactly. Let's see. Yeah, I don't know. We can't find out. I'm blocked by Richmond Biz Sense, but keep an eye out. If you drive by a sandwich shop and it smells like pot, you probably found it. I think I got you. I think I got you. Marijuana-themed sandwich joint puffs up in Chesterfield. This is channel six. Chiba Hut, a new sandwich joint coming to Chesterfield. Chiba Hut, a sub-shop chain with cannabis theme, is slated to open this summer at Midlothian Depot. A Whole Foods anchored mixed-use development-taking shape in Midlothian Turnpike, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Menu items at Chiba Hut are named after marijuana strains or words associated with the plant, such as ham-Swiss-pineapple-sandwich. I don't know. Wait, ham-Swiss-pineapple-sandwich is called the Pocololo, a Hawaiian term for marijuana, the Pacific blue, tuna melt, and the Panama red, chicken marijuana. I don't know what this means, but Chiba Hut's coming to Mechanicsville, Midlothian, Chesterfield. Good luck. Yeah. Man, Mechanicsville, everywhere, huh? Yeah. Yeah, they're making a big splash. I mean, I don't know. I guess we don't know enough, right? Maybe they're super successful in other states. You know, I was super skeptical, but they actually crushed it, was Mellow Mushroom. Okay. I thought it was gonna be lame, but they've been here for like nine years, so maybe it'll work. Yeah, and I mean, every time I've been in there, it's always busy, Mellow Mushroom. Yeah, they crush it. I haven't been there in a long time, but, and they have good pizza. Yeah. Like, it's actually pretty good. Yeah, it doesn't compare to our local favorites, but you know. Nobody can touch our local favorites. I know, dude. I know, there's arguments about the top, best, the best slice in town. Yeah, I'm thinking, I got my top three, at least. Yeah, for sure. I mean, the ones that come to mind, of course, Zorch, Pizza Bones. Fire and Hops has kind of slept on. That's also in Carytown. Yeah, you said that. I don't think I've eaten there, but. It's good, yeah. They have good pizza. Ariana's is great. That's like a good kind of classic that's been great for a long time. People keep talking about Eight and a Half. I don't think I've ever had pizza from Eight and a Half. Yeah, I know that that one is like a fan favorite, no pun intended, like literally a fan favorite, right? But for probably both of us, like it's in this part of town where it's like, dude, I'm just never gonna go over there to get pizza. You know, it's like, I don't hang out over there. You know, we used to go to Bovine all the time, and like, that'd be a different story. It's like, you know, you'd go over there, and that's kind of in that same, somewhat same area. You know, you're over there closer to campus and stuff. I just don't hang out over there. So there's, you know, there's just closer, easier options if I'm gonna pick up a pizza. I mean, Zortz is at the top of the list for me because it's right there. It's always good. It's reasonably priced. Even if it's busy, you can still walk in and get a slice. Pizza Bones, for sure. It's just super fresh, it's crispy. I had the pizza at Whole Foods today. Yeah. Surprisingly good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The, like at the actual pizza bar, right? Where they make it? Yeah. That is good pizza. You know who has a good, a good frozen pizza that's like, easy to pick up is the Fresh Market. Over here by Elwood's. Yeah, yeah. And only because like, it's actually super affordable. Basically, it's a huge pizza. It's already pre-made, ready to go, and they're like 10 bucks. Yeah. Aldi was doing that. They might still, I haven't been in a while, but yeah, like the pre-made, you just toss it in the oven, like 20-inch pizza. Super clutch. Yeah. Like if you're having a party, or you're just hunkering down for a long weekend. Yeah. It's great, it's a great go-to. Yeah. Now, last recommendation is, speaking of the Fresh Market, they have a frozen pizza. They're like the only local grocery store that carries it. And the pizza brand is called Home Run Inn. And dude, I mean, as far as frozen pizza goes, probably one of the best frozen pizza I've ever had. Really? Yeah. And I'm a Red Baron guy, like just, Red Baron's like usually my go-to. Yeah, that's a good one. I mean, Aldi, I don't discriminate against pizza. It's all good, man. I'll eat any pizza for real. It's all good. And like, I couldn't eat pizza for a while, because I was trying to diet specifically. And when I was able to like start eating it again, any chance I get, and I try not to overdo it, but any chance I get like just two pizzas, like for late lunch, from Whole Foods, hit the spot. Yeah. Nothing better. Yeah. Well, we should probably wrap up and get a pizza. Let's do it. This podcast was recorded at Vera House Studios in Richmond, Virginia, and produced by Perry Young and Mike Metzger.